1 00:01:04,789 --> 00:00:32,800 [Music] 2 00:01:07,580 --> 00:01:04,799 and hello from Philadelphia Frank here 3 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:07,590 with yet another episode of UFO news 4 00:01:12,410 --> 00:01:10,170 network Sunday it was a pretty good week 5 00:01:15,710 --> 00:01:12,420 for UFO news we're gonna be covering a 6 00:01:17,359 --> 00:01:15,720 few things obviously the top news when 7 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:17,369 the President of the United States 8 00:01:21,859 --> 00:01:20,130 speaks about UFOs that we're all 9 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:21,869 listening so what we've got Donald 10 00:01:26,990 --> 00:01:24,810 Trump's most recent comments about the 11 00:01:30,590 --> 00:01:27,000 UFO subject we're also going to be 12 00:01:35,029 --> 00:01:30,600 talking a little bit about a document 13 00:01:38,060 --> 00:01:35,039 that just came out today regarding crash 14 00:01:40,700 --> 00:01:38,070 retrievals and so on and so forth that 15 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:40,710 doesn't look very compelling but it's 16 00:01:46,490 --> 00:01:42,810 always good to get that stuff out there 17 00:01:48,980 --> 00:01:46,500 and take a critical look at it also some 18 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:48,990 very interesting news regarding the 19 00:01:54,499 --> 00:01:51,330 Wilson notes admiral Wilson himself 20 00:01:56,359 --> 00:01:54,509 going on the record about that and we'll 21 00:01:59,270 --> 00:01:56,369 take a look back at a case I happen to 22 00:02:03,109 --> 00:01:59,280 know a little bit about the Socorro case 23 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:03,119 from 1964 that has been tied that is 24 00:02:09,590 --> 00:02:06,810 mentioned in the Wilson notes and also 25 00:02:14,509 --> 00:02:09,600 there was a recent presentation by a 26 00:02:17,150 --> 00:02:14,519 different researcher who left out some 27 00:02:19,130 --> 00:02:17,160 key details that certainly any 28 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:19,140 researcher worth assault would have 29 00:02:26,380 --> 00:02:22,530 covered if they were covering the 64 30 00:02:28,699 --> 00:02:26,390 Socorro as a Maura case in detail 31 00:02:31,550 --> 00:02:28,709 certainly they would have had that and 32 00:02:33,410 --> 00:02:31,560 if you're doing a fair and proper and 33 00:02:35,810 --> 00:02:33,420 thorough presentation on it they 34 00:02:37,550 --> 00:02:35,820 certainly should have been mentioned but 35 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:37,560 let's not beat around the bush let's go 36 00:02:43,009 --> 00:02:40,130 right to the president's comments 37 00:02:46,340 --> 00:02:43,019 Thursday night he was interviewed a a 38 00:02:49,340 --> 00:02:46,350 hard-hitting interview by his son Donald 39 00:02:52,340 --> 00:02:49,350 Trump jr. and they talked about a number 40 00:02:54,020 --> 00:02:52,350 of things but Donald Trump jr. is an 41 00:02:56,050 --> 00:02:54,030 interesting fellow he's done a fair 42 00:03:00,259 --> 00:02:56,060 amount of tweeting in the past about 43 00:03:03,740 --> 00:03:00,269 deep state conspiracy theories and so on 44 00:03:06,409 --> 00:03:03,750 and so forth and he expresses a great 45 00:03:09,740 --> 00:03:06,419 deal of enthusiasm on the subject of 46 00:03:11,059 --> 00:03:09,750 UFOs and Roswell and all that so he did 47 00:03:12,770 --> 00:03:11,069 ask his dad 48 00:03:14,780 --> 00:03:12,780 president that when they had this little 49 00:03:17,030 --> 00:03:14,790 sit-down interview it was streamed live 50 00:03:18,739 --> 00:03:17,040 on YouTube on Thursday and let's not 51 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:18,749 beat around the bush let's get right to 52 00:03:32,959 --> 00:03:31,220 what's going on well let us know what's 53 00:03:36,649 --> 00:03:32,969 really going on so many people ask me 54 00:03:38,270 --> 00:03:36,659 that question is almost ridiculous but I 55 00:03:40,729 --> 00:03:38,280 got cute question but it's actually 56 00:03:43,129 --> 00:03:40,739 there are millions and millions of 57 00:03:45,709 --> 00:03:43,139 people that want to go there that want 58 00:03:47,089 --> 00:03:45,719 to see it I won't talk to you about what 59 00:03:49,490 --> 00:03:47,099 I know about it but it's very 60 00:03:51,409 --> 00:03:49,500 interesting but Roswell is a very 61 00:03:52,699 --> 00:03:51,419 interesting place with a lot of people 62 00:03:54,740 --> 00:03:52,709 that would like to know what's going on 63 00:03:57,649 --> 00:03:54,750 so you're saying you made declassifying 64 00:04:04,759 --> 00:03:57,659 you'll take it well I'll have to think 65 00:04:06,170 --> 00:04:04,769 about that one and you can see Trump but 66 00:04:07,939 --> 00:04:06,180 during the interview it gives the 67 00:04:11,089 --> 00:04:07,949 answers Roswell is a very interesting 68 00:04:13,429 --> 00:04:11,099 place he expresses that the opinion that 69 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:13,439 he's learned a little bit about all this 70 00:04:17,420 --> 00:04:15,810 while he's been president and it is a 71 00:04:19,879 --> 00:04:17,430 little bit different than some of his 72 00:04:22,249 --> 00:04:19,889 earlier comments if we'd go back in to 73 00:04:24,140 --> 00:04:22,259 review things he said when asked about 74 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:24,150 UFOs in the past it's not something he 75 00:04:27,469 --> 00:04:26,130 ever is a brought up to the best of my 76 00:04:30,399 --> 00:04:27,479 knowledge but that one of these been 77 00:04:34,310 --> 00:04:30,409 asked he does respond he does answer 78 00:04:37,129 --> 00:04:34,320 recently a interview with Reuters he 79 00:04:39,620 --> 00:04:37,139 said that it's a hell of a video he 80 00:04:42,499 --> 00:04:39,630 wonders if it's real right after the 81 00:04:47,950 --> 00:04:42,509 Navy oh yeah formally released videos 82 00:04:50,749 --> 00:04:47,960 from the Nimitz and Roosevelt cases and 83 00:04:52,550 --> 00:04:50,759 then going back a little bit in a couple 84 00:04:56,629 --> 00:04:52,560 interviews he did one with George 85 00:04:59,209 --> 00:04:56,639 Stephanopoulos a gaze not expressing a 86 00:05:01,820 --> 00:04:59,219 great deal of interest in it or a belief 87 00:05:04,399 --> 00:05:01,830 in it but he does support the pilot 88 00:05:07,129 --> 00:05:04,409 witnesses so that's a nice sort of 89 00:05:09,620 --> 00:05:07,139 non-committal position to take they're 90 00:05:11,270 --> 00:05:09,630 not not trashing the pilots but not 91 00:05:13,850 --> 00:05:11,280 saying he necessarily believes in the 92 00:05:17,450 --> 00:05:13,860 UFO stuff and then in an interview with 93 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:17,460 Tucker Carlson says he's got an open 94 00:05:23,129 --> 00:05:21,090 mind again expresses confidence in the 95 00:05:25,739 --> 00:05:23,139 accounts of the pilots but it's 96 00:05:29,879 --> 00:05:25,749 not kind of non-committal and in the 97 00:05:31,499 --> 00:05:29,889 interview itself he the the Trump jr. 98 00:05:35,309 --> 00:05:31,509 has a big smile in his face when he's 99 00:05:36,929 --> 00:05:35,319 asking and President Trump it seems to 100 00:05:38,790 --> 00:05:36,939 you know has a little bit of a smirk on 101 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:38,800 his face in this particular screengrab 102 00:05:44,070 --> 00:05:41,770 has his arms folded at one point I'm 103 00:05:46,830 --> 00:05:44,080 sure some people are going to be doing a 104 00:05:49,619 --> 00:05:46,840 body language analysis of Trump's 105 00:05:52,739 --> 00:05:49,629 answers the arms folding is he's not 106 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:52,749 necessarily glad that his son asked him 107 00:05:55,170 --> 00:05:53,770 this question might have been the 108 00:05:57,510 --> 00:05:55,180 toughest question he got the entire 109 00:05:59,249 --> 00:05:57,520 interview he looks off to the side and 110 00:06:01,350 --> 00:05:59,259 kind of smiles he looks off to his right 111 00:06:04,679 --> 00:06:01,360 and at the very end there must be 112 00:06:06,719 --> 00:06:04,689 somebody off camera who also has an 113 00:06:09,420 --> 00:06:06,729 interest in this particular subject and 114 00:06:11,879 --> 00:06:09,430 he just sort of looks off well you got 115 00:06:14,790 --> 00:06:11,889 it and so I will see we'll see if it 116 00:06:16,499 --> 00:06:14,800 that if we do see is that the campaign 117 00:06:19,260 --> 00:06:16,509 wears on a lot of other things are going 118 00:06:22,679 --> 00:06:19,270 on in the world of course but the UFO 119 00:06:24,659 --> 00:06:22,689 subject that might pop up again and if 120 00:06:26,790 --> 00:06:24,669 he gets asked at least the at least he 121 00:06:28,439 --> 00:06:26,800 does answer so I would urge you any 122 00:06:32,070 --> 00:06:28,449 reporter and he journalist who has the 123 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:32,080 opportunity to interview him to go ahead 124 00:06:36,450 --> 00:06:34,330 and ask that UFO question he said that 125 00:06:39,779 --> 00:06:36,460 it's at least the possibility he might 126 00:06:41,939 --> 00:06:39,789 be doing some declassifying of some UFO 127 00:06:44,159 --> 00:06:41,949 information so we'll see how all that 128 00:06:45,779 --> 00:06:44,169 goes I'm not holding my breath but you 129 00:06:48,059 --> 00:06:45,789 never know a lot of crazy things have 130 00:06:54,329 --> 00:06:48,069 happened especially over the last few 131 00:06:58,050 --> 00:06:54,339 months so we will see so earlier today 132 00:07:00,659 --> 00:06:58,060 over on Twitter this particular document 133 00:07:02,689 --> 00:07:00,669 is a being a floated around it's getting 134 00:07:06,389 --> 00:07:02,699 at passed around on Facebook as well 135 00:07:09,719 --> 00:07:06,399 Danny Silva over at Silva record calm as 136 00:07:12,119 --> 00:07:09,729 written up a little bit about it and 137 00:07:13,619 --> 00:07:12,129 also I posted it over there so it's 138 00:07:15,510 --> 00:07:13,629 around you should be able to find it I 139 00:07:17,790 --> 00:07:15,520 might even upload it to the Facebook 140 00:07:21,029 --> 00:07:17,800 group but this is one of those documents 141 00:07:23,309 --> 00:07:21,039 that falls apart pretty quickly I think 142 00:07:28,399 --> 00:07:23,319 most of them do these faked up documents 143 00:07:30,749 --> 00:07:28,409 first off this you know if an mj-12 144 00:07:33,189 --> 00:07:30,759 organization in fact does exist that I 145 00:07:35,290 --> 00:07:33,199 have good reason to think that it does 146 00:07:36,969 --> 00:07:35,300 yeah these documents are not going to 147 00:07:39,850 --> 00:07:36,979 get out this type of thing is not going 148 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:39,860 to be put into writing but here that the 149 00:07:44,230 --> 00:07:41,930 basic documents but just the fact that 150 00:07:46,719 --> 00:07:44,240 it's out is a bit of a red flag to begin 151 00:07:49,209 --> 00:07:46,729 with but then there you look at some of 152 00:07:51,219 --> 00:07:49,219 the the details on this there are a 153 00:07:53,860 --> 00:07:51,229 number of misspellings that people were 154 00:07:56,679 --> 00:07:53,870 able to find pretty quickly and also 155 00:07:58,540 --> 00:07:56,689 this one here that jumped out at me look 156 00:08:00,939 --> 00:07:58,550 at that the bottom sentence there if you 157 00:08:04,209 --> 00:08:00,949 can we also believe the Soviets have 158 00:08:07,329 --> 00:08:04,219 calculated that u.s. ECM capabilities 159 00:08:10,689 --> 00:08:07,339 are on a level similar to theirs and are 160 00:08:12,790 --> 00:08:10,699 at parity and of course parity would not 161 00:08:17,649 --> 00:08:12,800 be the right word to use there it would 162 00:08:19,809 --> 00:08:17,659 be parity P AR ity rather than parity 163 00:08:22,089 --> 00:08:19,819 and of course a parody is a spoof of a 164 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:22,099 bit of a put-on and if you look 165 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:23,810 carefully at these kind of faked up docs 166 00:08:27,959 --> 00:08:25,490 say you do see that kind of thing often 167 00:08:31,839 --> 00:08:27,969 these little jokes these little asides 168 00:08:34,449 --> 00:08:31,849 sometimes sort of inside baseball digs 169 00:08:37,899 --> 00:08:34,459 at individuals that we saw that in the 170 00:08:40,329 --> 00:08:37,909 Wilson notes but we're saying this here 171 00:08:46,750 --> 00:08:40,339 and this is a real red flag for this 172 00:08:49,389 --> 00:08:46,760 particular document just nobody's really 173 00:08:52,210 --> 00:08:49,399 that I've seen that when they've taken a 174 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:52,220 look at it is that really too jazzed up 175 00:08:56,530 --> 00:08:54,890 about this one but it is out there it is 176 00:08:58,449 --> 00:08:56,540 floating around and that has been 177 00:09:00,120 --> 00:08:58,459 written up I don't think there's too 178 00:09:02,710 --> 00:09:00,130 much to it but it's interesting that 179 00:09:05,079 --> 00:09:02,720 this this kind of thing is getting 180 00:09:07,990 --> 00:09:05,089 passed around we might see more this 181 00:09:11,290 --> 00:09:08,000 type of thing as the year goes on with 182 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:11,300 these types of fake docs but this one's 183 00:09:18,910 --> 00:09:15,490 out today and this one is not really 184 00:09:21,309 --> 00:09:18,920 passing the smell test it's getting 185 00:09:23,410 --> 00:09:21,319 picked apart pretty thoroughly and does 186 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:23,420 not seem at all accurate another point 187 00:09:30,340 --> 00:09:26,569 that was brought up was the top-secret 188 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:30,350 Umbra designation which would not have 189 00:09:36,129 --> 00:09:33,010 come into usage until after these 190 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:36,139 documents were purportedly concocted or 191 00:09:40,269 --> 00:09:38,930 put together if the real would show you 192 00:09:44,470 --> 00:09:40,279 know obviously I don't think that they 193 00:09:46,249 --> 00:09:44,480 are also apparently a note from Richard 194 00:09:49,340 --> 00:09:46,259 Doty was not exactly the best saw 195 00:09:51,739 --> 00:09:49,350 as says that these notes were typed up 196 00:09:55,639 --> 00:09:51,749 from an original well yeah I don't know 197 00:09:57,409 --> 00:09:55,649 why you would do that unless you know 198 00:09:58,969 --> 00:09:57,419 why why would somebody even do that if 199 00:10:01,400 --> 00:09:58,979 you've got copies of the originals why 200 00:10:06,079 --> 00:10:01,410 not put out the original so this one 201 00:10:07,669 --> 00:10:06,089 does not pass the smell test and but 202 00:10:10,759 --> 00:10:07,679 it's out there and it's it's worth 203 00:10:14,329 --> 00:10:10,769 talking about any time a leaked document 204 00:10:17,239 --> 00:10:14,339 comes out that that in itself should be 205 00:10:19,369 --> 00:10:17,249 a bit of a red flag and whatever 206 00:10:22,669 --> 00:10:19,379 material is in there should be looked at 207 00:10:24,590 --> 00:10:22,679 very cautiously before getting behind it 208 00:10:28,210 --> 00:10:24,600 and claiming it's the leak of the 209 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:28,220 century or any such thing like that 210 00:10:35,179 --> 00:10:32,970 and this past Monday finally we have an 211 00:10:39,710 --> 00:10:35,189 on-the-record comment from Admiral 212 00:10:42,169 --> 00:10:39,720 Thomas Wilson retired now living in 213 00:10:44,329 --> 00:10:42,179 retirement for about 18 years now I was 214 00:10:48,229 --> 00:10:44,339 surprised to find out that Wilson's only 215 00:10:51,139 --> 00:10:48,239 74 years old so and apparently yes still 216 00:10:53,299 --> 00:10:51,149 a pretty sharp guy and that also means 217 00:10:54,979 --> 00:10:53,309 he retired at 56 which is pretty young 218 00:10:57,829 --> 00:10:54,989 it's a pretty good work if you can get 219 00:11:00,529 --> 00:10:57,839 it so good for him but anyway Billy Cox 220 00:11:03,429 --> 00:11:00,539 from the d'void blog was able to get 221 00:11:07,309 --> 00:11:03,439 hold of Wilson this past week and 222 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:07,319 basically he denied any kind of 223 00:11:16,789 --> 00:11:10,410 follow-up to the initial Greer Mitchel 224 00:11:21,439 --> 00:11:16,799 and Miller meeting and finding out more 225 00:11:23,749 --> 00:11:21,449 about the unacknowledged special access 226 00:11:27,349 --> 00:11:23,759 programs but be that as it may gave a 227 00:11:30,229 --> 00:11:27,359 pretty firm denial to these notes and 228 00:11:33,799 --> 00:11:30,239 that he ever had anything to do with 229 00:11:35,899 --> 00:11:33,809 Eric Davis so he said basically quoting 230 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:35,909 here from Cox's story I'm not saying 231 00:11:41,090 --> 00:11:38,569 that someone somewhere I never met 232 00:11:42,919 --> 00:11:41,100 sometimes somewhere I never met Davis 233 00:11:44,899 --> 00:11:42,929 but I certainly don't know him I don't 234 00:11:46,939 --> 00:11:44,909 remember him I definitely did not sit 235 00:11:49,849 --> 00:11:46,949 with him in a car for an hour in Las 236 00:11:51,919 --> 00:11:49,859 Vegas you may also see in those notes 237 00:11:54,470 --> 00:11:51,929 where I came with two other naval 238 00:11:56,090 --> 00:11:54,480 officers a lieutenant and a lieutenant 239 00:11:58,429 --> 00:11:56,100 commander and a petty officer was 240 00:11:59,519 --> 00:11:58,439 driving the car I was not even in the 241 00:12:02,100 --> 00:11:59,529 Navy then and the name 242 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:02,110 was certainly not ferrying me around in 243 00:12:07,379 --> 00:12:05,050 a car at that point those notes are 244 00:12:09,090 --> 00:12:07,389 really detailed it's like somebody wrote 245 00:12:11,460 --> 00:12:09,100 a fiction piece he's right about that 246 00:12:12,660 --> 00:12:11,470 we'll get into some of those details a 247 00:12:14,999 --> 00:12:12,670 little bit more getting back to the 248 00:12:17,519 --> 00:12:15,009 quote here but it never happened trust 249 00:12:19,860 --> 00:12:17,529 me there are so many things in those 250 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:19,870 notes that are demonstrably inaccurate 251 00:12:24,420 --> 00:12:21,730 certainly I would like to know a little 252 00:12:26,189 --> 00:12:24,430 bit more about that which which points 253 00:12:28,530 --> 00:12:26,199 say he considers as a demonstrably 254 00:12:30,119 --> 00:12:28,540 inaccurate and I don't know how I could 255 00:12:33,540 --> 00:12:30,129 prove it but I haven't been to Las Vegas 256 00:12:35,100 --> 00:12:33,550 since 1979 at 80 and right from day one 257 00:12:36,749 --> 00:12:35,110 that was one of the points that I was 258 00:12:40,679 --> 00:12:36,759 bringing out if you couldn't put the 259 00:12:43,889 --> 00:12:40,689 Wilson in Las Vegas on the the date of 260 00:12:47,759 --> 00:12:43,899 the purported meeting then these notes 261 00:12:49,079 --> 00:12:47,769 have obviously been fictionalized it's a 262 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:49,089 piece of fan fiction 263 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:51,850 did not happen and I still believe that 264 00:12:57,269 --> 00:12:54,569 is the case and that's a pretty firm 265 00:13:01,259 --> 00:12:57,279 far-reaching denial I haven't even been 266 00:13:03,150 --> 00:13:01,269 to Las Vegas since 1979 80 I can hold 267 00:13:05,369 --> 00:13:03,160 out that some of his denials regarding 268 00:13:08,129 --> 00:13:05,379 any follow-up he might have done to that 269 00:13:12,809 --> 00:13:08,139 Greer Mitchell meeting in the Pentagon 270 00:13:15,090 --> 00:13:12,819 all those years ago didn't happen that 271 00:13:17,490 --> 00:13:15,100 that I'm not obviously quite so sure at 272 00:13:19,530 --> 00:13:17,500 that I think that I'm a little bit more 273 00:13:22,139 --> 00:13:19,540 open-minded on that but as far as these 274 00:13:23,999 --> 00:13:22,149 notes being an accurate representation 275 00:13:26,579 --> 00:13:24,009 of a follow-up he might have had with 276 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:26,589 Eric Davis at that point back in 2002 277 00:13:31,079 --> 00:13:29,290 when that Davis was living in Las Vegas 278 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:31,089 so he would have been there no doubt 279 00:13:36,420 --> 00:13:33,850 about that no surprise there and was 280 00:13:39,179 --> 00:13:36,430 still working for Robert Bigelow's knids 281 00:13:41,699 --> 00:13:39,189 organization the National Institute for 282 00:13:43,110 --> 00:13:41,709 discovery science that would that part 283 00:13:45,179 --> 00:13:43,120 wouldn't be a shock at all of course 284 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:45,189 Davis was there that no surprise on that 285 00:13:50,579 --> 00:13:48,490 but that Wilson was there you still have 286 00:13:53,009 --> 00:13:50,589 to prove that Wilson was in town on that 287 00:13:54,749 --> 00:13:53,019 particular day and even changing some 288 00:13:59,400 --> 00:13:54,759 dates around is a little bit problematic 289 00:14:01,949 --> 00:13:59,410 and all I get to that covering some old 290 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:01,959 ground here purported in the notes 291 00:14:09,660 --> 00:14:06,850 Wilson says rich and Doug you Davis know 292 00:14:12,090 --> 00:14:09,670 them a Pheo members told about how new 293 00:14:13,150 --> 00:14:12,100 Las Vegas chapter needed guest speakers 294 00:14:16,809 --> 00:14:13,160 for chapter public 295 00:14:18,970 --> 00:14:16,819 menu and so on and so forth and rich 296 00:14:21,430 --> 00:14:18,980 dunk I'm not so sure about bur rich I 297 00:14:24,939 --> 00:14:21,440 believe is almost certainly a gentleman 298 00:14:27,759 --> 00:14:24,949 named Richard Kohn who did start the Las 299 00:14:29,829 --> 00:14:27,769 Vegas a Pheo chapter and in fact they 300 00:14:35,670 --> 00:14:29,839 had their first meeting in October of 301 00:14:39,879 --> 00:14:35,680 that that particular year was 2002 and 302 00:14:42,569 --> 00:14:39,889 that that that demonstrates to me that 303 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:42,579 yeah these these notes were not 304 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:46,610 concocted by uh some armchair individual 305 00:14:50,710 --> 00:14:48,290 these notes were put together by 306 00:14:54,519 --> 00:14:50,720 somebody who had some inside information 307 00:14:56,829 --> 00:14:54,529 somebody who almost certainly got the 308 00:14:59,319 --> 00:14:56,839 feo newsletter the periscope and the 309 00:15:00,879 --> 00:14:59,329 knew that that was a new chapter and put 310 00:15:02,199 --> 00:15:00,889 that little piece of accurate 311 00:15:03,369 --> 00:15:02,209 information now there's no question 312 00:15:05,889 --> 00:15:03,379 about that 313 00:15:08,290 --> 00:15:05,899 into the scenario plug that in there and 314 00:15:11,769 --> 00:15:08,300 I got run down it does check out that 315 00:15:13,749 --> 00:15:11,779 proves to me that the the person who put 316 00:15:15,939 --> 00:15:13,759 these notes together does know what 317 00:15:17,050 --> 00:15:15,949 they're talking about and it's very 318 00:15:20,230 --> 00:15:17,060 interesting to me that the the 319 00:15:21,939 --> 00:15:20,240 proponents for these notes and they they 320 00:15:23,650 --> 00:15:21,949 won't talk about the fact that Eric 321 00:15:27,129 --> 00:15:23,660 Davis was a member of a Pheo they won't 322 00:15:29,379 --> 00:15:27,139 talk about the connection between Davis 323 00:15:31,749 --> 00:15:29,389 and is a longtime employee or how put 324 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:31,759 off and also the fact that that put off 325 00:15:37,540 --> 00:15:34,850 employed the noted disinformation artist 326 00:15:38,889 --> 00:15:37,550 known as Richard Doty they they don't 327 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:38,899 want to talk about that sort of thing 328 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:40,370 and they don't want to mention the fact 329 00:15:46,210 --> 00:15:43,730 that this is actually the only piece of 330 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:46,220 evidence that I'm aware of that that 331 00:15:50,860 --> 00:15:47,810 actually checks out as far as the 332 00:15:53,139 --> 00:15:50,870 general scenario surrounding Wilson 333 00:15:55,059 --> 00:15:53,149 being in Las Vegas and of course we were 334 00:15:57,999 --> 00:15:55,069 able to turn up some information a 335 00:16:02,019 --> 00:15:58,009 direct quote from John Alexander that 336 00:16:03,790 --> 00:16:02,029 Wilson played no role and that did not 337 00:16:06,370 --> 00:16:03,800 although it doesn't specifically state 338 00:16:09,910 --> 00:16:06,380 that in the notes that the Wilson played 339 00:16:13,119 --> 00:16:09,920 no role never spoken to any kind of a 340 00:16:15,249 --> 00:16:13,129 Pheo a meeting didn't play any rule and 341 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:15,259 not founding the organization again it 342 00:16:18,910 --> 00:16:16,970 doesn't specify that but these 343 00:16:21,939 --> 00:16:18,920 individuals are the one who I believe is 344 00:16:25,090 --> 00:16:21,949 a rich Cohen and also this fellow Doug 345 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:25,100 they did per the notes that facilitate 346 00:16:28,660 --> 00:16:26,210 that Wilson's 347 00:16:30,190 --> 00:16:28,670 to the Vegas area and you would think 348 00:16:33,430 --> 00:16:30,200 that if there were nice enough to do 349 00:16:35,769 --> 00:16:33,440 that Wilson might show up and say a few 350 00:16:38,910 --> 00:16:35,779 things at their initial meeting that did 351 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:38,920 not happen it's not proof that Wilson 352 00:16:44,740 --> 00:16:41,450 wasn't in Las Vegas on that particular 353 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:44,750 day but again let's say that he was in 354 00:16:48,639 --> 00:16:46,730 Las Vegas on that particular day and he 355 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:48,649 did speak there well they would at least 356 00:16:52,540 --> 00:16:50,690 the proponents of the notes would at 357 00:16:54,070 --> 00:16:52,550 least be able to say well he was there 358 00:16:56,590 --> 00:16:54,080 so that that's some really good evidence 359 00:16:59,350 --> 00:16:56,600 and it would be really good evidence and 360 00:17:02,650 --> 00:16:59,360 very early on I actually suspected that 361 00:17:05,049 --> 00:17:02,660 it might be provable that Wilson was in 362 00:17:06,970 --> 00:17:05,059 that Vegas on that particular day but 363 00:17:08,470 --> 00:17:06,980 his denial is pretty far-reaching he's 364 00:17:11,799 --> 00:17:08,480 not just saying I wasn't there that date 365 00:17:15,790 --> 00:17:11,809 it's Hughes saying I literally haven't 366 00:17:17,679 --> 00:17:15,800 been to Las Vegas in 40 years and he 367 00:17:19,780 --> 00:17:17,689 said he wasn't in Las Vegas at that 368 00:17:21,699 --> 00:17:19,790 particular time so again now it's up to 369 00:17:24,130 --> 00:17:21,709 the product people to to come up with 370 00:17:27,069 --> 00:17:24,140 some evidence that Wilson was there 371 00:17:31,330 --> 00:17:27,079 otherwise you know these these notes are 372 00:17:33,910 --> 00:17:31,340 a bit of a farce the piece of evidence 373 00:17:36,820 --> 00:17:33,920 that apparently is linking these 374 00:17:39,790 --> 00:17:36,830 documents coming from the estate of 375 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:39,800 Edgar Mitchell is really just this 376 00:17:45,490 --> 00:17:43,490 particular letter that a fairly standard 377 00:17:49,230 --> 00:17:45,500 knids Lou's letter this is again 378 00:17:51,910 --> 00:17:49,240 material I've spoken to two before and 379 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:51,920 what you see here is an interesting 380 00:17:56,320 --> 00:17:54,290 letter and we've had this looked at and 381 00:17:57,970 --> 00:17:56,330 yeah it's a fairly standard NIN's 382 00:18:00,700 --> 00:17:57,980 newsletter that went out who knows how 383 00:18:04,780 --> 00:18:00,710 often maybe monthly baby quarterly it 384 00:18:07,510 --> 00:18:04,790 does have Mitchell's it was his accurate 385 00:18:10,570 --> 00:18:07,520 address back in that time frame he did 386 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:10,580 live there but that is not necessarily 387 00:18:18,120 --> 00:18:15,290 proof that that that these documents 388 00:18:20,740 --> 00:18:18,130 came from Mitchell again I think they're 389 00:18:24,190 --> 00:18:20,750 sort of that jumping to conclusions of 390 00:18:26,950 --> 00:18:24,200 believing a scenario the proponents are 391 00:18:29,799 --> 00:18:26,960 saying yeah these documents came from 392 00:18:32,230 --> 00:18:29,809 Mitchell no guarantee of that any any 393 00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:32,240 anybody could have really found out 394 00:18:37,510 --> 00:18:33,770 about what the Edgar Mitchell's home 395 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:37,520 address is and actually gone in and sort 396 00:18:41,830 --> 00:18:39,530 of plugged that in there 397 00:18:43,990 --> 00:18:41,840 this mids newsletter was a fairly 398 00:18:46,450 --> 00:18:44,000 standard newsletter that would have gone 399 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:46,460 out to anybody from needs but it also 400 00:18:51,460 --> 00:18:48,890 demonstrates that again it would be an 401 00:18:53,020 --> 00:18:51,470 insider who would have had to put this 402 00:18:55,360 --> 00:18:53,030 material together somebody who had 403 00:18:57,700 --> 00:18:55,370 access to this material and that would 404 00:18:59,770 --> 00:18:57,710 have been able to plug in Mitchell's 405 00:19:01,150 --> 00:18:59,780 name and address into this this might be 406 00:19:03,130 --> 00:19:01,160 accurate this might be a fully accurate 407 00:19:04,990 --> 00:19:03,140 document but when you've got so much 408 00:19:07,360 --> 00:19:05,000 that's corrupted in the other documents 409 00:19:10,540 --> 00:19:07,370 that are part of this package that you 410 00:19:16,090 --> 00:19:10,550 have to be skeptical of everything in my 411 00:19:19,090 --> 00:19:16,100 view and here are some other points here 412 00:19:21,220 --> 00:19:19,100 let's see some of these scenario I'm 413 00:19:23,530 --> 00:19:21,230 going to skip over that part right now 414 00:19:26,130 --> 00:19:23,540 as far as the original meeting goes this 415 00:19:31,780 --> 00:19:26,140 is a different case I'm not necessarily 416 00:19:34,090 --> 00:19:31,790 buying the denials by you know by 417 00:19:37,270 --> 00:19:34,100 Admiral s'en and Commander Miller who 418 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:37,280 made them to both me and my co-host 419 00:19:44,410 --> 00:19:40,730 chant directly basically what I base 420 00:19:47,350 --> 00:19:44,420 that suspicion on is of course the 421 00:19:51,670 --> 00:19:47,360 hubbub regarding a Greer meeting set up 422 00:19:55,570 --> 00:19:51,680 by John Peterson with then CIA director 423 00:19:58,120 --> 00:19:55,580 james Woolsey and from talking to some 424 00:19:59,710 --> 00:19:58,130 people including dr. Joseph Berks who 425 00:20:01,660 --> 00:19:59,720 was involved in setting that up and not 426 00:20:04,810 --> 00:20:01,670 knowing a little bit more about that 427 00:20:07,660 --> 00:20:04,820 John Peterson's background who was on 428 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:07,670 the board of the National Bigelow's 429 00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:13,610 needs organizations that this my my 430 00:20:19,300 --> 00:20:16,730 needle leans a little bit more towards 431 00:20:21,190 --> 00:20:19,310 Greer in terms of being accurate as far 432 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:21,200 as that goes and that's why you know I'm 433 00:20:27,100 --> 00:20:23,690 a still uh staying pretty open-minded as 434 00:20:28,540 --> 00:20:27,110 far as any follow up that the Greer and 435 00:20:30,850 --> 00:20:28,550 Mitchell may have heard about either 436 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:30,860 from Wilson directly or from Miller a 437 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:33,050 little bit more open-minded on that the 438 00:20:37,470 --> 00:20:35,930 notes though not so much so that's where 439 00:20:39,700 --> 00:20:37,480 that's at now and I keep hearing that 440 00:20:41,770 --> 00:20:39,710 yeah there's gonna be this big 441 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:41,780 confirmation that the notes are going to 442 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:43,010 be proved and of course I've been 443 00:20:48,430 --> 00:20:45,170 hearing that kind of thing for a year 444 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:48,440 now and well we'll say and again this is 445 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:50,690 a pretty far-reaching and detailed 446 00:20:55,500 --> 00:20:51,890 denial 447 00:20:58,870 --> 00:20:55,510 from from admiral wilson noticed that 448 00:21:01,260 --> 00:20:58,880 over the last week the great proponent 449 00:21:03,490 --> 00:21:01,270 the highest profile proponent of the 450 00:21:05,950 --> 00:21:03,500 veracity of these notes has come from 451 00:21:08,740 --> 00:21:05,960 Richard Dolan and he has remained 452 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:08,750 completely silent on the issue and again 453 00:21:13,030 --> 00:21:10,730 I'm not crowing too much all I'm saying 454 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:13,040 is this is this is a pretty damning 455 00:21:18,340 --> 00:21:16,010 piece regarding the notes not so much 456 00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:18,350 about the meeting itself the original 457 00:21:23,050 --> 00:21:20,930 meeting of the Pentagon meeting just to 458 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:23,060 be clear here that pentagon meeting 459 00:21:30,940 --> 00:21:27,650 involving Wilson Mitchel Greer and 460 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:30,950 Miller so that's the end of that for now 461 00:21:37,510 --> 00:21:33,530 and as any updates come in you know 462 00:21:39,730 --> 00:21:37,520 whichever way the whichever way the the 463 00:21:42,220 --> 00:21:39,740 evidence goes will report it will take a 464 00:21:44,260 --> 00:21:42,230 close look at it and give it a fair 465 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:44,270 shake unlike some people who went 466 00:21:48,070 --> 00:21:46,250 hog-wild and claimed that this was the 467 00:21:51,100 --> 00:21:48,080 leak of the century and so on and so 468 00:21:53,470 --> 00:21:51,110 forth well you know they've been that 469 00:21:55,060 --> 00:21:53,480 the the silence is deafening from that 470 00:21:59,140 --> 00:21:55,070 end of things so we'll see what happens 471 00:22:00,790 --> 00:21:59,150 with all that and anything else on this 472 00:22:02,740 --> 00:22:00,800 let me think let me think do I want to 473 00:22:04,420 --> 00:22:02,750 say anything else uh well if I think 474 00:22:09,100 --> 00:22:04,430 about it I'll plug it in later on in the 475 00:22:11,220 --> 00:22:09,110 show off to the next topic now finally 476 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:11,230 I'm gonna talk a little bit about the 477 00:22:17,650 --> 00:22:14,810 1964 Socorro case this is a case that I 478 00:22:20,380 --> 00:22:17,660 got involved with way back the very 479 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:20,390 first year I was seriously researching 480 00:22:28,120 --> 00:22:23,570 UFOs back in 2009 was somewhat 481 00:22:31,780 --> 00:22:28,130 accidental just looking around basically 482 00:22:33,490 --> 00:22:31,790 I had contacted the UFO researcher Tony 483 00:22:36,910 --> 00:22:33,500 Berg Elia and basically I wrote him a 484 00:22:39,220 --> 00:22:36,920 fan letter and he had asked me you know 485 00:22:41,710 --> 00:22:39,230 if you ever happened to find anything 486 00:22:44,020 --> 00:22:41,720 regarding an individual name that Clyde 487 00:22:46,300 --> 00:22:44,030 Williams who was running the Battelle 488 00:22:48,730 --> 00:22:46,310 Memorial Institute in the days following 489 00:22:50,620 --> 00:22:48,740 the Roswell crash if I ever came across 490 00:22:53,170 --> 00:22:50,630 anything regarding him to let him know 491 00:22:54,310 --> 00:22:53,180 well I did I started poking around I 492 00:22:57,430 --> 00:22:54,320 didn't find anything that directly 493 00:23:00,100 --> 00:22:57,440 related to UFOs but what I did find was 494 00:23:02,590 --> 00:23:00,110 the fact that a very interesting guy guy 495 00:23:03,389 --> 00:23:02,600 while I'm a big fan of two-time Nobel 496 00:23:07,070 --> 00:23:03,399 Prize winner 497 00:23:09,239 --> 00:23:07,080 and scientist Linus Pauling had 498 00:23:11,969 --> 00:23:09,249 basically I guess stopped off at 499 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:11,979 Battelle and had enjoyed his day there 500 00:23:15,450 --> 00:23:13,330 and now they had that he had not 501 00:23:17,879 --> 00:23:15,460 Williams had corresponded a bit and I 502 00:23:19,979 --> 00:23:17,889 decided to take a look and see excuse me 503 00:23:21,989 --> 00:23:19,989 decided to take a look and see if there 504 00:23:24,299 --> 00:23:21,999 was anything online related to Linus 505 00:23:25,709 --> 00:23:24,309 Pauling and UFOs well sure enough there 506 00:23:28,169 --> 00:23:25,719 was as it turned out 507 00:23:30,839 --> 00:23:28,179 appalling after he died donated all his 508 00:23:33,989 --> 00:23:30,849 papers to Oregon State University and in 509 00:23:36,599 --> 00:23:33,999 fact there is a website dedicated to 510 00:23:38,180 --> 00:23:36,609 that collection online and at the 511 00:23:41,759 --> 00:23:38,190 website there was an article about 512 00:23:45,060 --> 00:23:41,769 Pauling's interest in UFOs and the main 513 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:45,070 piece that I found on the site was an 514 00:23:50,549 --> 00:23:48,369 outline of his regarding a potential UFO 515 00:23:53,849 --> 00:23:50,559 study seems like it's quite possible 516 00:23:55,950 --> 00:23:53,859 that he may have been asked to join the 517 00:23:57,719 --> 00:23:55,960 Condon committee he did have a 518 00:23:59,430 --> 00:23:57,729 relationship with Edward Condon who 519 00:24:01,859 --> 00:23:59,440 headed up that committee for whatever 520 00:24:04,289 --> 00:24:01,869 reason that never ended up taking place 521 00:24:06,419 --> 00:24:04,299 but regardless it looked like he had put 522 00:24:08,430 --> 00:24:06,429 at least some thought into a UFO study 523 00:24:10,769 --> 00:24:08,440 outlined some notes it was a really 524 00:24:13,950 --> 00:24:10,779 interesting piece and just like back in 525 00:24:15,989 --> 00:24:13,960 2009 just like it is today what you have 526 00:24:17,999 --> 00:24:15,999 is people always saying yeah why don't 527 00:24:20,459 --> 00:24:18,009 more scientists get interested in UFOs 528 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:20,469 well this was a pretty good outline now 529 00:24:25,469 --> 00:24:22,690 I've gone over it there's our article 530 00:24:27,869 --> 00:24:25,479 about it over at and my website that 531 00:24:30,749 --> 00:24:27,879 over at the UFO partisan blog spot.com 532 00:24:32,519 --> 00:24:30,759 you can read about all that there but 533 00:24:36,029 --> 00:24:32,529 also in the archive was apparently 534 00:24:40,039 --> 00:24:36,039 appalling did contact sterling Colgate 535 00:24:42,060 --> 00:24:40,049 who was the head of the president of the 536 00:24:44,249 --> 00:24:42,070 university there that New Mexico 537 00:24:47,039 --> 00:24:44,259 Institute of mining and technology today 538 00:24:48,839 --> 00:24:47,049 it's known as New Mexico Tech Pauling 539 00:24:51,239 --> 00:24:48,849 asked him about this case the Lonnie 540 00:24:54,479 --> 00:24:51,249 Zamora case this is a very interesting 541 00:24:58,289 --> 00:24:54,489 case I got a lot of notoriety in its day 542 00:24:59,729 --> 00:24:58,299 these days maybe not so much but back in 543 00:25:02,159 --> 00:24:59,739 the day it was certainly a big case in 544 00:25:05,129 --> 00:25:02,169 still an interesting case so basically 545 00:25:06,839 --> 00:25:05,139 Pauling had asked Colgate what he knew 546 00:25:09,329 --> 00:25:06,849 about the case and Colgate respondents 547 00:25:12,899 --> 00:25:09,339 saying it was basically a student hoax 548 00:25:15,420 --> 00:25:12,909 and Tony saw that he followed up on that 549 00:25:18,300 --> 00:25:15,430 I thought that the Pauling outline 550 00:25:19,670 --> 00:25:18,310 of the UFO study was a lot more 551 00:25:22,260 --> 00:25:19,680 interesting and what with that and 552 00:25:25,050 --> 00:25:22,270 basically I thought well kind of good 553 00:25:27,090 --> 00:25:25,060 luck you know this was a student hoax 554 00:25:30,750 --> 00:25:27,100 how did they how did they possibly pull 555 00:25:32,550 --> 00:25:30,760 that off well Tony you dug in a little 556 00:25:34,260 --> 00:25:32,560 bitty contact and colgate it was still 557 00:25:36,330 --> 00:25:34,270 alive back at that time it called you at 558 00:25:39,180 --> 00:25:36,340 home yeah it was it was a student hoax 559 00:25:41,910 --> 00:25:39,190 and you know it was a relatively simple 560 00:25:46,170 --> 00:25:41,920 it you know it was a a balloon that they 561 00:25:47,580 --> 00:25:46,180 set off and then it develops some hubbub 562 00:25:49,260 --> 00:25:47,590 and I got more interested because 563 00:25:51,060 --> 00:25:49,270 initially I wasn't that interested in it 564 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:51,070 which is why Tony picked up the ball and 565 00:25:55,770 --> 00:25:52,810 ran with it and of course I'm glad that 566 00:25:59,070 --> 00:25:55,780 he did but what actually what actually 567 00:26:01,080 --> 00:25:59,080 happened was this hubbub got me to want 568 00:26:03,210 --> 00:26:01,090 to take a closer look at the details of 569 00:26:05,550 --> 00:26:03,220 the case and this is why and I think 570 00:26:07,290 --> 00:26:05,560 it's so important whenever possible you 571 00:26:09,270 --> 00:26:07,300 don't want to go through somebody else's 572 00:26:11,700 --> 00:26:09,280 filter you don't want to go through 573 00:26:14,190 --> 00:26:11,710 somebody else's interpretation of what 574 00:26:16,230 --> 00:26:14,200 happened when it's possible to get 575 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:16,240 directly to the source itself the 576 00:26:20,100 --> 00:26:18,250 original source itself and again I've 577 00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:20,110 got a lengthy article about this over at 578 00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:23,290 my website but basically what happened 579 00:26:30,030 --> 00:26:26,290 is Azamara was patrolling around Socorro 580 00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:30,040 and suddenly he decides he's gonna start 581 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:32,170 following a speeder out of town and if 582 00:26:35,820 --> 00:26:33,730 you ever take a look at a map of Socorro 583 00:26:40,860 --> 00:26:35,830 basically what you've got is this a 584 00:26:42,540 --> 00:26:40,870 relatively small town and as soon as you 585 00:26:44,130 --> 00:26:42,550 get out of town you're out in the desert 586 00:26:47,070 --> 00:26:44,140 there's not too much out there so 587 00:26:51,570 --> 00:26:47,080 basically this this driver sort of leads 588 00:26:53,970 --> 00:26:51,580 leads amaura out of town on a little bit 589 00:26:55,830 --> 00:26:53,980 of a chase and while Zamora is chasing 590 00:26:59,070 --> 00:26:55,840 him and actually if you take a look at 591 00:27:01,970 --> 00:26:59,080 this particular graphic here the that's 592 00:27:04,470 --> 00:27:01,980 where that red line starts basically 593 00:27:06,870 --> 00:27:04,480 before it starts there that's a sort of 594 00:27:09,570 --> 00:27:06,880 a road out of town words he's he's 595 00:27:11,090 --> 00:27:09,580 following this guy this unidentified 596 00:27:15,300 --> 00:27:11,100 speeder he said looked like a young 597 00:27:18,270 --> 00:27:15,310 young boy so basically well Zamora's 598 00:27:19,340 --> 00:27:18,280 following him he sees an explosion like 599 00:27:46,700 --> 00:27:19,350 a 600 00:27:50,510 --> 00:27:46,710 vehicle sort of looks like this he sees 601 00:27:52,910 --> 00:27:50,520 a couple of legs and he pursues it 602 00:27:54,980 --> 00:27:52,920 further but as he's pursuing it and this 603 00:27:57,140 --> 00:27:54,990 is very interesting and it's why I'm not 604 00:27:58,820 --> 00:27:57,150 quite convinced that this is definitely 605 00:28:01,670 --> 00:27:58,830 the student hoax that the Stirling 606 00:28:03,860 --> 00:28:01,680 colgate laid out - - Tony is that 607 00:28:06,860 --> 00:28:03,870 there's this Hill area here so as he's 608 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:06,870 driving closer to get to where this this 609 00:28:11,810 --> 00:28:09,090 vehicle is his view is actually 610 00:28:15,530 --> 00:28:11,820 obstructed so he can't really see down 611 00:28:17,630 --> 00:28:15,540 into this Arroyo where this this balloon 612 00:28:19,940 --> 00:28:17,640 actually is so his view is obstructed 613 00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:19,950 until he kind of gets to the yellow area 614 00:28:25,670 --> 00:28:22,890 here and then he's able to see at that 615 00:28:28,430 --> 00:28:25,680 point this balloon is taking off and at 616 00:28:31,700 --> 00:28:28,440 that point he's also in communication 617 00:28:37,130 --> 00:28:31,710 with his police station and is telling 618 00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:37,140 that the nez at that point in time he's 619 00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:38,610 talking to someone that back at the 620 00:28:43,490 --> 00:28:40,890 station house that as he's getting 621 00:28:46,610 --> 00:28:43,500 closer to it it looks like a balloon now 622 00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:46,620 these are kind of important details that 623 00:28:53,150 --> 00:28:50,370 were left out of a very recent Richard 624 00:28:55,310 --> 00:28:53,160 Dolan analysis of this case and again 625 00:28:58,340 --> 00:28:55,320 this type of material is very easy to 626 00:29:01,280 --> 00:28:58,350 find there are a number of verbatim 627 00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:01,290 accounts from Zamora you know they're 628 00:29:04,970 --> 00:29:02,730 all the same they're all accurate on a 629 00:29:07,700 --> 00:29:04,980 number of different websites it was 630 00:29:10,850 --> 00:29:07,710 printed accurately and hectic ananias 631 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:10,860 book about his experiences running 632 00:29:15,290 --> 00:29:13,050 Project Blue Book it's on a number of 633 00:29:18,380 --> 00:29:15,300 different sites and a link to a Zamora's 634 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:18,390 account is also at my website as well so 635 00:29:22,580 --> 00:29:20,730 go check it out but basically when 636 00:29:26,450 --> 00:29:22,590 there's more again that when he was 637 00:29:28,250 --> 00:29:26,460 closest to this to this balloon he said 638 00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:28,260 quite clearly it looked like a balloon 639 00:29:31,340 --> 00:29:29,610 and there was a little flame at the 640 00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:31,350 bottom it's just basically a hot air 641 00:29:34,530 --> 00:29:32,170 balloon that 642 00:29:36,330 --> 00:29:34,540 sort of takes off but when you get from 643 00:29:39,780 --> 00:29:36,340 a lot of these researchers and now this 644 00:29:41,700 --> 00:29:39,790 is very important you never you so often 645 00:29:44,010 --> 00:29:41,710 do not get the whole truth you don't get 646 00:29:46,140 --> 00:29:44,020 essential details that you really need 647 00:29:48,810 --> 00:29:46,150 to make an informed a proper decision 648 00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:48,820 about these cases these incidents these 649 00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:51,730 documents and so on and so forth it's 650 00:29:56,790 --> 00:29:53,530 not so much of what the people say about 651 00:29:59,160 --> 00:29:56,800 them but it is what they don't say and 652 00:30:01,410 --> 00:29:59,170 again you'll never hear from by somebody 653 00:30:03,630 --> 00:30:01,420 trying to pump up this case that Zamora 654 00:30:05,970 --> 00:30:03,640 did in fact say it looks like a blue 655 00:30:07,380 --> 00:30:05,980 when he got closest to it and there are 656 00:30:10,230 --> 00:30:07,390 some other things that doesn't more I 657 00:30:13,260 --> 00:30:10,240 never said that he saw for example a he 658 00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:13,270 never saw anything land some researchers 659 00:30:17,460 --> 00:30:15,370 will tell you he saw this craft land he 660 00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:17,470 never saw that his attention was drawn 661 00:30:23,910 --> 00:30:20,530 by some explosions some fireworks in the 662 00:30:26,850 --> 00:30:23,920 sky that drew him over to the area he 663 00:30:29,370 --> 00:30:26,860 never saw anybody get into or out of a 664 00:30:32,700 --> 00:30:29,380 vehicle he never saw four legs he only 665 00:30:34,650 --> 00:30:32,710 saw two so it was not some type of 666 00:30:37,590 --> 00:30:34,660 landing craft all he saw was something 667 00:30:39,450 --> 00:30:37,600 take off and leave the area and he said 668 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:39,460 when he got closest to it that it looks 669 00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:42,250 like a balloon and again any researcher 670 00:30:49,590 --> 00:30:46,410 who does just the the very basic said 671 00:30:52,050 --> 00:30:49,600 you know basically grade school level 672 00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:52,060 research to go to the original source 673 00:30:57,210 --> 00:30:55,450 and go back and represent accurately 674 00:31:00,030 --> 00:30:57,220 what they said you can still think that 675 00:31:02,190 --> 00:31:00,040 that this particular case wasn't a 676 00:31:03,750 --> 00:31:02,200 balloon but that for God's sakes though 677 00:31:05,580 --> 00:31:03,760 the least you can do is present the 678 00:31:08,070 --> 00:31:05,590 facts of the case fairly and accurately 679 00:31:10,500 --> 00:31:08,080 and I expect the silence is going to be 680 00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:10,510 deafening regarding this particular case 681 00:31:15,390 --> 00:31:13,090 a really interesting case for one 682 00:31:17,820 --> 00:31:15,400 particular reason why I've grown to 683 00:31:20,340 --> 00:31:17,830 really love this case is because more 684 00:31:24,330 --> 00:31:20,350 than anything else what it demonstrates 685 00:31:27,990 --> 00:31:24,340 is that the UFO witnesses despite a lot 686 00:31:30,210 --> 00:31:28,000 of debunker disinformation that spread 687 00:31:33,270 --> 00:31:30,220 out UFO witnesses can be very detailed 688 00:31:36,930 --> 00:31:33,280 and very accurate and yes I absolutely 689 00:31:38,850 --> 00:31:36,940 urgent of you every one of you to go to 690 00:31:41,850 --> 00:31:38,860 my website look at the original story 691 00:31:44,190 --> 00:31:41,860 that I wrote back in 2009 and take a 692 00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:44,200 close look at it and more important than 693 00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:45,210 all that forget what 694 00:31:50,150 --> 00:31:47,250 forget what anybody's written about it 695 00:31:53,270 --> 00:31:50,160 look at Zamora's original account that 696 00:31:55,700 --> 00:31:53,280 really is the key and again folks that's 697 00:31:58,060 --> 00:31:55,710 about all I've got time for you want to 698 00:32:00,350 --> 00:31:58,070 take a look at that on the record 699 00:32:03,590 --> 00:32:00,360 original account sir whenever possible 700 00:32:05,420 --> 00:32:03,600 that's how you find things out and let's 701 00:32:07,220 --> 00:32:05,430 see oh there's one other thing I did 702 00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:07,230 want to get to hang on just a moment 703 00:32:14,210 --> 00:32:11,570 please thanks for reminding me before I 704 00:32:17,300 --> 00:32:14,220 wrapped up here there's a really 705 00:32:19,070 --> 00:32:17,310 interesting story written by a Tom Rogan 706 00:32:21,650 --> 00:32:19,080 over at the Washington Examiner that 707 00:32:24,290 --> 00:32:21,660 came out this week and so much in the 708 00:32:25,940 --> 00:32:24,300 UFO field you're hearing so much and 709 00:32:28,730 --> 00:32:25,950 even from the to the stars Academy 710 00:32:31,610 --> 00:32:28,740 you're hearing a lot about UFO crash 711 00:32:34,190 --> 00:32:31,620 retrievals and one thing that I would 712 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:34,200 strongly suggest to anybody listening is 713 00:32:40,970 --> 00:32:38,250 to put the words UFO and crash sort of 714 00:32:45,020 --> 00:32:40,980 out of your head what we've got is the 715 00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:45,030 military always always always looking 716 00:32:51,350 --> 00:32:47,730 for and willing to go to great lengths 717 00:32:54,290 --> 00:32:51,360 to acquire foreign technology it's not 718 00:32:56,420 --> 00:32:54,300 necessarily crashed yeah it may be it's 719 00:33:00,440 --> 00:32:56,430 crashed maybe it's not but they're 720 00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:00,450 always looking to go to some great great 721 00:33:04,310 --> 00:33:02,730 lengths extraordinary like so now talk 722 00:33:06,230 --> 00:33:04,320 about real quickly before I get into the 723 00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:06,240 meat of this particular story there's 724 00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:10,050 the famous story of a converted Tupelo 725 00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:13,170 22 bomber that was a it's a Soviet plane 726 00:33:18,890 --> 00:33:16,530 that was converted to a spy plane that 727 00:33:21,350 --> 00:33:18,900 was used over Angola when that they were 728 00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:21,360 involved in a conflict over there along 729 00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:24,090 with the Cubans back in the 70s so they 730 00:33:27,740 --> 00:33:25,530 were there and they were flying out one 731 00:33:30,290 --> 00:33:27,750 of their spy planes over and apparently 732 00:33:31,820 --> 00:33:30,300 it came down well it came down in the 733 00:33:34,820 --> 00:33:31,830 jungle so it was pretty difficult to 734 00:33:37,670 --> 00:33:34,830 find and as the story goes the remote 735 00:33:41,690 --> 00:33:37,680 viewing program was in full swing at 736 00:33:43,970 --> 00:33:41,700 that point and they actually got got 737 00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:43,980 some remote viewers to try to find out 738 00:33:48,020 --> 00:33:46,050 where this plane was and apparently they 739 00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:48,030 were quite successful it's regarded as 740 00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:50,850 one of the Great's successes of the 741 00:33:55,460 --> 00:33:54,090 remote viewing program so again they're 742 00:33:58,730 --> 00:33:55,470 going through some great lengths and 743 00:34:00,919 --> 00:33:58,740 also going back to the 70s some of you 744 00:34:02,450 --> 00:34:00,929 old enough to remember it or maybe if 745 00:34:03,380 --> 00:34:02,460 you're not that looking up because it's 746 00:34:05,750 --> 00:34:03,390 a hell of a story 747 00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:05,760 absolutely a true story the Glomar 748 00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:09,450 Explorer case a a Soviet submarine sank 749 00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:10,770 and fell from the bottom of the Pacific 750 00:34:16,399 --> 00:34:13,530 Ocean didn't crash it just sank it fell 751 00:34:18,290 --> 00:34:16,409 to the bottom of the ocean and obviously 752 00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:18,300 the United States I wanted to get their 753 00:34:21,260 --> 00:34:19,290 hands on it 754 00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:21,270 so again they go to great lengths so 755 00:34:26,770 --> 00:34:23,490 what did they do they contacted the 756 00:34:29,930 --> 00:34:26,780 still-living billionaire and pretty 757 00:34:30,980 --> 00:34:29,940 advanced engineer Howard Hughes you 758 00:34:32,990 --> 00:34:30,990 could almost say that Hughes was 759 00:34:34,970 --> 00:34:33,000 something about Elon Musk in his day 760 00:34:37,180 --> 00:34:34,980 maybe something along those lines but 761 00:34:39,980 --> 00:34:37,190 regardless they contacted Hughes and 762 00:34:42,530 --> 00:34:39,990 what Hughes was able to come up with was 763 00:34:44,659 --> 00:34:42,540 the design for a ship that they were 764 00:34:46,430 --> 00:34:44,669 actually able to sail over they knew 765 00:34:48,139 --> 00:34:46,440 where the sub was it was just at the 766 00:34:50,300 --> 00:34:48,149 bottom of the ocean so it that basically 767 00:34:51,859 --> 00:34:50,310 had this a long arm and they were able 768 00:34:53,810 --> 00:34:51,869 to drop it down to the floor of the 769 00:34:56,030 --> 00:34:53,820 ocean and they were able to kind of 770 00:34:58,220 --> 00:34:56,040 scoop up the sub well unfortunately they 771 00:34:59,450 --> 00:34:58,230 didn't get as good a grip on the sub as 772 00:35:01,460 --> 00:34:59,460 they wanted maybe the Russian 773 00:35:03,109 --> 00:35:01,470 engineering isn't as great so it kind of 774 00:35:04,910 --> 00:35:03,119 broke in half so they didn't get the 775 00:35:06,349 --> 00:35:04,920 whole thing so it wasn't as a hundred 776 00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:06,359 percent successful as they would have 777 00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:10,050 liked but again they're going to had 778 00:35:14,780 --> 00:35:11,850 some pretty extraordinary lengths to 779 00:35:17,090 --> 00:35:14,790 acquire foreign technology and this 780 00:35:19,580 --> 00:35:17,100 story from Tom that came out this week 781 00:35:23,900 --> 00:35:19,590 it's very interesting because apparently 782 00:35:26,240 --> 00:35:23,910 what the US military has done was secure 783 00:35:30,260 --> 00:35:26,250 an advanced Russian combat system so 784 00:35:32,660 --> 00:35:30,270 here's the story and go at the well I'll 785 00:35:34,550 --> 00:35:32,670 read this in early June US military 786 00:35:36,590 --> 00:35:34,560 personnel secured an advanced Russian 787 00:35:38,750 --> 00:35:36,600 combat system in Libya the exact 788 00:35:40,340 --> 00:35:38,760 identity of the platform now extracted 789 00:35:42,740 --> 00:35:40,350 out of Libya and subject the u.s. 790 00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:42,750 technical analysis is unknown to me but 791 00:35:49,730 --> 00:35:45,330 I am led to believe and is either the 792 00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:49,740 Chris Chris Okafor electronic warfare 793 00:35:55,849 --> 00:35:53,130 system or the s3 50 medium-range air 794 00:35:58,040 --> 00:35:55,859 defense system both reflect higher-end 795 00:36:00,020 --> 00:35:58,050 Russian military capabilities primarily 796 00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:00,030 designed to defeat NATO air operations 797 00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:03,330 so such systems have taken on added 798 00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:04,890 value in Libya of late due to the 799 00:36:08,870 --> 00:36:06,330 success of Turkish drones 800 00:36:09,710 --> 00:36:08,880 okay well we'll move forward you can 801 00:36:11,780 --> 00:36:09,720 read that yourselves 802 00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:11,790 the u.s. success under the authority of 803 00:36:15,500 --> 00:36:12,450 the death 804 00:36:19,130 --> 00:36:15,510 Vence intelligent intelligence agencies 805 00:36:22,250 --> 00:36:19,140 foreign military exploitation program is 806 00:36:25,010 --> 00:36:22,260 a significant one and this is a get in 807 00:36:26,930 --> 00:36:25,020 this more detail so so later but what do 808 00:36:28,910 --> 00:36:26,940 we now well speaking on the condition of 809 00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:28,920 anonymity to current and defense 810 00:36:33,410 --> 00:36:31,290 intelligence officials and one former 811 00:36:35,540 --> 00:36:33,420 official said that the military now has 812 00:36:38,390 --> 00:36:35,550 a highly advanced Russian military 813 00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:38,400 system under its control it was secured 814 00:36:43,220 --> 00:36:40,410 from the control of a Russian military 815 00:36:45,710 --> 00:36:43,230 intelligence contractor Wagner group and 816 00:36:47,510 --> 00:36:45,720 know those details okay I'll pass over 817 00:36:49,250 --> 00:36:47,520 those that said there was no evidence 818 00:36:51,710 --> 00:36:49,260 that the system was secured by the use 819 00:36:52,940 --> 00:36:51,720 of US combat action I reached out to 820 00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:52,950 numerous government agencies but 821 00:36:57,700 --> 00:36:54,930 received no requests to avoid 822 00:37:00,140 --> 00:36:57,710 publication or admit or omit details 823 00:37:02,150 --> 00:37:00,150 officials offered no comment on the 824 00:37:04,460 --> 00:37:02,160 specifics of the story but did not deny 825 00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:04,470 them behind the scenes however US 826 00:37:11,420 --> 00:37:07,050 officials are celebrating a significant 827 00:37:13,810 --> 00:37:11,430 win now this is kind of key because 828 00:37:15,890 --> 00:37:13,820 think about UFO crash retrieval 829 00:37:18,890 --> 00:37:15,900 seriously how often do you think that 830 00:37:21,650 --> 00:37:18,900 happens how often do you think that the 831 00:37:24,710 --> 00:37:21,660 the military or defense intelligence 832 00:37:27,829 --> 00:37:24,720 agency personnel are able to go out and 833 00:37:29,450 --> 00:37:27,839 hunt down UFO material well and even 834 00:37:31,490 --> 00:37:29,460 then if they hunt down foreign 835 00:37:33,260 --> 00:37:31,500 technology they necessarily know let's 836 00:37:35,809 --> 00:37:33,270 say something fell from space do they 837 00:37:39,020 --> 00:37:35,819 necessarily know it's et or you know 838 00:37:40,940 --> 00:37:39,030 Russian or Chinese or whatever the case 839 00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:40,950 may be but no they're gonna want to go 840 00:37:44,599 --> 00:37:43,170 get it so the idea that there are crash 841 00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:44,609 retrievals sometimes the crash 842 00:37:49,450 --> 00:37:47,010 retrievals sometimes something drops 843 00:37:53,809 --> 00:37:49,460 into their lap a defector might fly a 844 00:37:55,700 --> 00:37:53,819 fully functional jet over or somehow it 845 00:37:58,550 --> 00:37:55,710 seems like they got this particular 846 00:38:00,079 --> 00:37:58,560 platform fully functional and they were 847 00:38:02,839 --> 00:38:00,089 able and just I don't know apparently 848 00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:02,849 walk it right out from under the nose of 849 00:38:07,490 --> 00:38:05,210 this Wagner group over there in Libya 850 00:38:10,550 --> 00:38:07,500 don't know the details and that they're 851 00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:10,560 not in here but that sort of thing I 852 00:38:15,109 --> 00:38:13,050 think likely does happen but in the the 853 00:38:18,050 --> 00:38:15,119 narrative that you so often hear UFO 854 00:38:20,510 --> 00:38:18,060 crash retrieval it sort of leaves the I 855 00:38:23,030 --> 00:38:20,520 think an erroneous impression that 856 00:38:25,019 --> 00:38:23,040 somehow there's this special task force 857 00:38:27,509 --> 00:38:25,029 that is just sitting around 858 00:38:29,459 --> 00:38:27,519 - wait a another UFOs come down let's go 859 00:38:34,289 --> 00:38:29,469 out and get it it doesn't work that way 860 00:38:37,769 --> 00:38:34,299 and that that is again a real-world 861 00:38:40,499 --> 00:38:37,779 example of if there is any kind of UFO 862 00:38:42,479 --> 00:38:40,509 crash retrieval it kind of works this 863 00:38:45,359 --> 00:38:42,489 way and then gets routed wherever it 864 00:38:47,729 --> 00:38:45,369 gets routed but we're also seeing at Tom 865 00:38:49,739 --> 00:38:47,739 of course is written in great detail at 866 00:38:52,799 --> 00:38:49,749 great length and I think I with a 867 00:38:55,140 --> 00:38:52,809 remarkable level of savvy about the UFO 868 00:38:57,539 --> 00:38:55,150 subject and if he's getting this 869 00:39:01,140 --> 00:38:57,549 material from Defense Intelligence 870 00:39:03,989 --> 00:39:01,150 people that might very well be the same 871 00:39:08,189 --> 00:39:03,999 location of his sources on his seemingly 872 00:39:10,289 --> 00:39:08,199 well-informed UFO reportage so that's 873 00:39:12,299 --> 00:39:10,299 that for now we're done for this week 874 00:39:13,859 --> 00:39:12,309 and might be another week might be 875 00:39:17,370 --> 00:39:13,869 another two weeks might not be until 876 00:39:20,789 --> 00:39:17,380 after the premiere of season two of the 877 00:39:23,269 --> 00:39:20,799 TTS a show unidentified over on the the 878 00:39:26,909 --> 00:39:23,279 History Channel that program is 879 00:39:29,099 --> 00:39:26,919 apparently going to start up on July the 880 00:39:31,559 --> 00:39:29,109 11th the Saturday night a change in 881 00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:31,569 nights but in this day and age we can 882 00:39:35,039 --> 00:39:33,130 always pick up these shows whenever we 883 00:39:37,559 --> 00:39:35,049 pick them up so maybe there'll be 884 00:39:39,509 --> 00:39:37,569 another update news update between now 885 00:39:42,269 --> 00:39:39,519 and then maybe the next show will be a 886 00:39:44,519 --> 00:39:42,279 review of episode 1 of season 2 of 887 00:39:47,189 --> 00:39:44,529 unidentified can't say for sure but 888 00:39:49,409 --> 00:39:47,199 regardless once I get a couple three 889 00:39:51,630 --> 00:39:49,419 four things together that I think are of 890 00:39:54,749 --> 00:39:51,640 note and are worth talking about we'll 891 00:39:57,569 --> 00:39:54,759 do another show and glad you all tuned 892 00:39:59,519 --> 00:39:57,579 in so have a great weekend everybody and